Jaime & Drogo's Excellent Adventure

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Derived from
House Targaryen, Banner of the Lion 11 9 5 3.0
Inspiration for
A More Beautiful Queen 0 0 0 4.0

Old Gods & The New 627

Reshaping the Targ/Lanni deck that Alexfrog posted (http://thronesdb.com/decklist/view/273/house-targaryen-banner-of-the-lion) to reduce the cost curve a bit and feed in some more economy and stability (in my view at least!)

The synergies between Drogo/Jaime and Tyrion/Illyrio are obvious, the hard part is not getting them all backlogged up in your hand because all the important cards cost 5 to 7 gold and you need a bunch of them in play to make the combos work.

14 comments

Barnie25 227

This build is the build that I would run almost card for card if I were to go this direction.

This build is much better than the version without Danny and Dracarys.

Alexfrog 266

Some thoughts on the changes:

I dont like cutting Treachery at all. I have blown out my opponent with that card many times. When they choose to take their big guy's bodyguard as a casualty to save some 3 cost dork and you Treachery the effect, its is crushing.

I like the second Put to the Sword, but cutting Tears of Lys for it is a huge mistake. Tears is one of the best cards in the deck and the 3-of tears is very very VERY clearly correct in my experience. I never do not want to draw more of it.

I dont really like the Plazas and have cut them in my build. The problem is they are bad against Baratheon, because its really hard to win a power challenge against Baratheon with Red Keep, which is the time you need your deck to be performing the best. I already blow out the random decks that Plaza would be good against.

I dont like cutting a Widows Wail, its quite strong and wins challenges as a trick while sticking around. I dont feel the deck has much need for bodyguard in my experience, but if you wanted to add more attachments I think Milk of the Poppy might be the one to add.

Cutting an Illyrios estate for a Western Fiefdom weakens your overall economy because it has far less targets, and the Burned Men instead of Braided Warriors are much weaker most of the time. If you ambush them out you cant use the western fiefdom or Lannisport Merchants on them anyways, so those cards barely have anything to reduce. The answer to the problem of how to pay for Jaime and Tyrion is to add a second Noble Cause to the deck, which I have done. (Cut either confiscation or filthy accusations probably).

Cutting down on the number of copies of big characters is a mistake imo. You win the game because you draw enough large characters and kill events, so you need as many of them as possible. If might improve setups slightly to have more small dorks, but the way I have lost games with this deck is when you only draw small dorks. Again, a second Noble Cause makes the abundance of 5+ costers acceptable I think.

Also in my experience Summons is terrible in this deck, I cut it after the first several games. Counting Coppers is superior draw, but I would prefer to play a Filthy Accusations.

Also, drawing a duplicate of a large character in the setup can be very strong, and 3 ofs make that much more likely. Setting up 2 copies of a 5+ coster, a small guy and an economy card is a great setup.

I dont want to sound overly critical, I like that you are trying my deck out, and I think you will do great with this build regardless, and coming up with your own builds of things is the glory of deckbuilding games! Its just that this looks a lot more like what I started out with when I made the deck, and as I have played a couple dozen games with it I have moved away from it looking like this towards the build I posted.

Thanks for you interest in my deck, and I hope youre not upset by me not agreeing with the changes, hehe. :)

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@Alexfrog not at all - if your comments are all "been there done that" then I can't complain too much.

BUT

I feel like there might some meta influence happening here in our experience - the Stark murder decks are running rampant at the moment in my local meta and they would tear apart any deck planning on just trying to play 5/6 gold characters. It sounds like your meta is still playing Baratheon though, which is a different format as Bara lets you play your characters then tries to kneel them so you get to establish your combos, while the Stark deck would just line up the bodybags. If, as you suggest, you open a dupe 5 coster and another guy then you lose vs the Stark deck (I proved that several times tonight). You need to drop the curve A LOT to survive.

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@Alexfrog sorry to double post, but the more I think about it the more I think it's the meta, so you don't like Plaza because it's rough vs Red Keep but I like Plaza because it kills Bran/Arya.

Have you got somebody championing the Stark murder deck in your meta?

Alexfrog 266

No, I havent played against a single person trying Stark. :)
My goal is to beat baratheon. The deckhas crushed any random non-baratheon deck I've played against.

However, the deck does run 35 characters and is very resilient to kills in my experience. I usually have plenty of small guys to sacrifice to claim, plus duplicates, plus I can bring back Dragosn with Fire and Blood.

I would probably build the deck a bit differently if my goal was beating Stark (probably more like your build), but that hasnt been my goal of what to beat at all.

I do think I would still want Treachery against Stark however. Counter the activation of Ice!
Leading off with Calm over Westeros should also help keep you alive. You should be pressuring them with kills just as much as they are pressuring you however.

Alexfrog 266

This is making me really want to play my version of the deck against your Stark deck. I haven't really seen stark do well, except for if the opponent has a weak start.

Old Gods & The New 627

@Alexfrog that's definitely the biggest misconception about Stark. It's a deck that absolutely punishes a weak start, but it's also hugely powerful vs an average or good start.

eg. tonight my opponent setup Davos & duped him with Roseroad, Bastard In Hiding and Chamber of Painted Table, so a 5 card Setup, then T1 played Littlefinger and Consolidation if Power. I killed all his characters and he conceded before T2.

But then other games they start strong and you just bide your time then crank up the pressure. Stark/GJ (In particular with GJ IMHO) is a serious deck. It's massively underrated and underappreciated because nobody good is really trying to make it work.

Alexfrog 266

Well, it might be a misconception, but it was my experience playing with and against stark.

What list are you using? The stark/reyjoy list you posted here?

Alexfrog 266

I'm definitely willing to believe I was wrong about Stark if shown a good list and testing gives good results. After all, thats exactly what happened with Targaryen for me. ;)

Alsciende 134

@Old Gods & The New You can indicate the inspiration from your decklist by editing it and putting 273 in the "Derived from" field. No need to put the link in the description then ;)

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@Alsciende Done! Good tip!

@Alexfrog The Stark/Greyjoy I posted (http://thronesdb.com/decklist/view/251/shock-awe) is the one I'm currently using and it's a good a place to start as any. I'm not convinced yet that the GJ-heavy build is better than Gates of Winterfell but their performance has been very similar so it should be in the ballpark for a gauntlet test. I'm considering going to a 3rd Shipwright over Wendamyr - stopping T1 Kingsroad can be game-winning if it means they play 1 less character.

Barnie25 227

@Old Gods & The New Does this deck consistently beat Bara? Do you think this deck is the best? Have played against it a few times and the deck is extremely miserable when your early game gets foiled or your start is bad. This deck isn't a point and click deck but is actually quite difficult to understand when and how to apply pressure, that makes the win rate of the deck suffer.

Old Gods & The New 627

@Barnie25if you're talking about the Stark deck then can we have that discussion on that deck page please, so we don't confuse anyone coming here to look for Dragons!

Alexfrog 266

Barnie25, assuming you are talking about this Targaryen deck. 1) So far the deck is about 50% against Bara. It does well when bara does not have the Red Keep but struggles when they do, so far in my experience. It also punishes a weak start harshly.
2) Yes the deck is actually difficult! You have some hard choices and have to play them correctly. You need to get an important character in their dead pile. I kindof like that it rewards experience but looks weaker to people that just pick it up.