Suns and Walls 4.0

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what about cutting a Noble Lineage for an Attainted ?

And what about edric is he that usefull ? I rather cut him to put maybe little finger for the draw but quite expensive and bad for set up and jump... So maybe one more caleotte ?

Anyway nice deck ! Thx for sharing

@AvelfaltaziI really like Noble Lineage because it is a free, easy to attach card to most characters that make them immune to Seastone Chair, Plaza of Punishment and Raiding Longship.

Attainted isn't bad, but this deck isn't really trying to do too much Attainted -> Tears stuff, and I have more than enough intrigue icons such that having an intrigue icon on the other side of the board isn't too big of a deal under normal circumstances.

I could see a use for splashing an attainted in, but I really like the 3 noble lineages, especially for set up.

As for Edric, he's a stealth character. So if you save 1 gold, you guarantee that stealth can't get around him. It's niche, but very important when defending the Wall. I've already dropped him to 1x, I'd rather keep one stealth character just for that stealth defense than have a second Maester Cal, who is also affected by first snow. But that's just a personal preference.

I do like the idea of adding a Littlefinger somewhere though. More draw is great and the deck needs a few more high cost characters.

The big problem is balancing the set up and wall defense of low cost characters with the First Snow of Winter protection of 4+ characters. That'll require some testing to really fine tune.

Gonna try your deck as soon as possible, and come backs with more extended thoughts.

I do think 3 greenblood trader might be too much, especially now you mentionned First Snow of Winter and maybe cut one for littlefinger could be nice.

And one more thing which bother me a bit, you have nothing to deal with attachements ? Plot line seems OK, well maybe I'll try to cut Fortified Position for Confiscation. Or the other solution is Rattleshirt's Raiders, who works amazingly with Arianne and can't decently take noble... But once more it is difficult to make space for them...

Looks like a nice deck to me! I'm still testing The Boneway myself, so it's good to see it in some decks.

Question: why include Condemned instead of Attainted? You said that this deck doesn't do much of the Attainted/Tears combo, but extra kill is good right? Is Condemned that good to stall your opponent even more?

@earcaraxIt's more a test than anything. If I'm building a deck around The Boneway and The Wall, I don't mind losing challenges too often. The only exception being power challenges, especially late in the game.

With First Snow of Winter encouraging smaller boards with bigger characters, one or two attainted can make it so that you opponent is unable to win a power challenge, or has to commit a lot to winning a power challenge. This makes the stall nature of the deck work a lot better at keeping it's opponents below 15 power.

I'm still testing to see if it works out that way.

This deck and all others that include the new "opponent only" attachments is the reason I think more decks will need to start including at least 2 copies of rattle shirts. As far as I can tell, attachments are playing a much bigger role than in 1.0 and constant, consistent active attachment removal is going to be huge. Only just having the plot is not going to cut it any more.

That being said I loved the idea for this deck as soon as I saw the Boneway. In my brief testing with a build of this deck, I was surprised that I could get this off 2 or 3 times consistently in a game! I mean if you really wanted to, you could chump challenge and then they have to weigh weather that want to kneel bigger stuff to defend (thereby making them have less to challenge with) or they let it squeak by. Either way I was happy. Fun deck and visibly frustrating for some decks to play against.

Also considering that only 5 characters are higher that 3 cost (albeit one is not unique), how do you think this will do in a First Snow meta? I took mine apart from fear that that plot is going to wreck this deck (archetype).

I waw concern about First Snow of winter also and was thinking of removing most of the economical pin's (maybe keep one of each or 2 martell's) and add in In Doran's Name ! Wich can be use in various situation and work well with Feast for crow to end the game... The big issue is that it is quite bad for set up (less cheap char and more event ...) Dunno, didn't try it out yet, so it's just me picturing weird stuff...

@Pao I'm currently adjusting it for the new First Snow meta. I hopefully won't wreck the curve too badly, but more 4+ costers definitely need to be added.

@AvelfaltaziI think econ guys are important for set up, since more 4s and 5s means you'll need a lowbie to protect them from marched.

I could see the application of In Doran's Name. I just don't know how I would make room.

The set up of this deck will definitely suffer because of that damn plot haha. It's a shame, because the deck was practically unbeatable prior to First Snow showing its ugly face.

I just make some games with econ guys out (keeping only 2 desert scavenger) and for the Eco part it was OK since the plot line is quite not that low on gold, but set up are really ugly.... I think Rattleshirt's Raiders are really needed if we don't include confiscation... and they are safe on FSoW... But including the threat of FSoW will require lots of changes... Which I'm looking forward to see !

I've got this huge tournament comming up in 2 weeks and going there with a Martell/NW would be so damn good :D

any ideas playing this in melee? without WotN please :)

@DembersI actually think it's a pretty good melee deck as it is. Having the Wall during melee is usually begging people to attack you over and over again. However, with the Boneway and Ghaston Grey, it makes your opponents not want to attack you, so there's a certain amount of give and take there.

In melee, I think I'd remove the Iron Thrones and put in Sunspears, simply because they're way more relevant in melee, since you have a lower chance of being first player with 4 or 5 players. I'd also probably go up to 2x Obara, since she does defend even when kneeling, which is just super efficient for melee games.

I played a similar build recently and got destroyed repeatedly––first by Lannister LOTC, which used Casterly Rock and Put To The Sword to great effect, and then against Targaryen, which just seems to obliterate this deck. I really like the concept, and love when it works, but I find that there's so much potential for disruption that it's very inconsistent. A single unmilked Syrio can deny you Wall stuff indefinitely, and unplanned challenges (Drogo, Casterly Rock) are tough to deal with. Standing Dany also makes Bastard Daughter and Greenblood Trader helpless, and burn is similarly devastating. Zero attachment removal is pretty debilitating when so much responsibility seems to fall on Nymeria. Is this deck concept still viable?

Of the new cards released since you first built this, which would you move in/out? I'm finding Stonesnake unexpectedly effective for his stealth-resistance, and potential renown. Sworn Brother, Quentyn Martell, Vengeance for Elia, and His Viper Eyes all seem potent. I've subbed a few of these in in place of some reducer characters, because there's so little need for claimsoak (Aemon and Bastard Daughters seem to have it covered).