Targ/Lion w/Mirri (Dallas Regional First Place Deck ) 1.0

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Did you face any Iron Mines? Without Treachery it feels like they could cause trouble.

What a crazy deck! Grats on the win!

Sweet deck dude, how did you find "Calling", as you were probably killing many things?

I guess even 3 dudes gives you 6 gold. What about only one way to draw, that didn't slow you down. Awesome deck, looks like so much fun.

Did you run into Naval Superiority when you played Trading with the Pentoshi?

Buzz - I didn't face any Iron Mines so it's hard to say but I feel like they would need to draw into 2-3 of them early and also be able to push through for the win quickly before they ran out of saves for it to actually make the difference.

r480 - Thanks! Mirri is crazy good.. my biggest fear was running into a Mirri mirror match.

Kidohearts - It's true I was generally killing all the important characters but when I played calling there was usually 3-4 weenies on the table and my choice of initiative.. basically if I don't get Khal and Jaime out early there it will still give me the gold to play Mirri or another bomb character. As for draw I was never completely out of a hand that I remember and I did play a martel player that got off a couple of Viper Eyes against me. And yes, I had a ton of fun with the target removal.. if you take out the right character it becomes so hard for people to continue to make their decks work in a lot of cases.

Ironlix - I didn't have Naval Superiority played against me, I don't think it's a competitive card at the moment but maybe that's because I haven't seen anyone master the subtle art of using it yet.

Your deck won a decent sized tournament and Is reliant on big econ and you don't think naval is a good plot? ??????

I agree with the author, Naval is a high risk, medium reward plot, and typically if you get it wrong, you just lost the game. I think if you need a coin flip to win games, you might as well play Blackjack

I think Naval is strong in decks that can support it (re: Sam Braatz's World's list), but currently, I'd say the strongest houses builds (Lanni, Targ, and Bara) can't support that type of plot

@Sharingiscaring Lanni is literally the best Naval house in the game, followed by Tyrell most likely. They can leverage it's strengths without falling behind when it misses. Calling it non-competitive like the OP is, is simply false. It's the definition of a competitive plot: a Meta-Call plot, hard to play, only fit specific decks. You'll only see it in the best and worst decks imo.

The big reason it's devalued now is simply because many good 'Miss' plots are being added to the game. Still, I feel it's quite easy to hit with.

Thanks Shariniscaring, that's my logic also.. I also think of it like this, you need to go 4-1 to make the cut in 5 rounds of swiss.. so can you accurately hit with Naval in a tournament at least 80% of the time? But not only do you have to accurately hit with Naval, you also have to be able to capitalize on that hit. If you are taking a big risk every time you play it, you need to create a scenario where you just win the game if you do hit with it and not just gain a slight board advantage for a turn.

Buzz - Yes there are decks that can create scenarios where you can capitalize on the plot, but so far I haven't wanted naval in any of my Lanni decks.. Point being the chances are that if your really unlucky you might get hit with naval one game out of five in a tournament right now and that's still not enough to keep you from making the cut.

@potatoechip99 You don't NEED to play it every game. I had two plots in my most recent victory which I barely played, but they saved my ass when they needed to. If Naval flat out wins you the game, which it well might if it hits(in the correct deck), then you only need to hit it 1 or maybe 2 times for it to be slotted. As I said, it's hard to play and most players shouldn't play it unless they're confident enough.

Buzz - That's a fair argument, I just tend to build my decks with cards that are good all the time, instead of some of the time, but if you or anyone can make the correct calls in which situations to slot and use Naval then go for it. I haven't seen enough decks or players using it at all let alone using it correctly for it to be a concern to me. If I was playing this deck and got hit with Naval on a trading turn I would follow up with another big econ plot turn two then stall the game until I could regain board control.. whether or not I'd end up winning or losing in that situation is hard to say but I don't think it's going to happen often enough to change the way this deck plays. Just be away that in some situations it may be a possibility you opponent could play Naval and make decisions accordingly.

Now that we're off topic, lol. I did win with my NW-Kraken that ran Naval, course I hit all 6 rounds, boom drop the mic, lol, jk.

@potatoechip99 I built your deck quickly last night with actual cards. I took out the 2 WW and one Syrio for 3 Burned Men. My thinking was this: It seems as though most people are running FSoW and I can't see anyone you would really want to get Marched on the following turn? Did you run into that? So I basically added them for the Marched following FSoW. Probably bad idea. Oh and I put Summons over CC, thats just a personal (and probably wrong) thing, I like going to get a key character you may need. Again, awesome job. I remember watching your games(through TC) since 1.0 when you played early Bara Rush with Asshai if I remember correctly, lol.

@potatoechip99 and no concerns or problems with Milk?

@Buzzin what Lanni decks are you able to make room for this card? what plot is it replacing. Realistically, how many 2 gold plots can you afford? and if you're cutting coppers for it, that seems like an even more of a risk. I agree that Tywin gives the luxury of playing low gold/high effect plots, but I think only to a certain extent. Would love to hear more thoughts though

Love this idea. I built something similar but without Dragons and Dracarys. I'll have to try your version as well.

@kidohearts I didn't run into trouble with First Snow into Marched.. the Leaping Lions deck is probably the only deck that could get away with the character trade off there against this deck.. but let me know how well running the burned men works out for you.. I had a lot of luck with the 2 WW in boosting str either for Mirri or pushing through a PTTS. As for milk, I did see it a couple games but only once was Mirri milked before being able to trigger her ability and I should have just gone 2nd that turn in order to ensure that wasn't possible.

@scantrell24 Let me know if you have luck with it after you try it out and if any decks give you trouble.

When piloting this deck, when do you feel were the best times to pull the trigger with Calming? are there specific matchups that you were thinking about when adding this plot, or was it just a case of too much utility to not go in?

Sorry, meant Calm over Westeros

@SirLargeness I put calm in the deck for a few reasons. One was that it is 5 gold, which will help get out Syrio which can't be reduced by the other econ cards as well as the other high cost characters. I was also concerned with the Mirror Match in which I needed to keep military claim down enough to not have to claim a high cost character and I was also concerned about the Leaping Lions deck that could potentially play first snow and get me down to only high cost characters for a turn. It's also got a lot of utility as you say for choosing the right claim reduction for the occasion. I would say that it helped me close a couple of games but there was only one game I played where it was probably crucial. It's also a great opening plot if you do think your opponent is going to play Naval or if you think they are about to play it on you at any point after.

I guess people gonna sleep on it still. Oh well. @Buzz I'm with you on the card

"Note that you can also attack with Mirri and the Hound together then bounce the Hound to hand with his forced interrupt and still trigger Mirri for target kills due to the timing of her response."

That is awesome. Great combo.

@potatoechip99 Correct me if I am wrong, but the Hound's forced reaction takes place "AFTER" he has participated in a challenge, thus Mirri would not be attacking alone. His reaction doesn't remove him from the challenge.

@Trooper66The timing of Mirri's claim replacement effect only checks if she is alone or not at the time of interrupt, which is during the Claim portion of challenge resolution. In the case highlighted, she is then alone. Consider yoself corrected

I have to agree with @Trooper66 even thought Mirri Maz Duur claim effect may CHECK at the time of interrupt, (after The Hound returns to your hand), it still hinges on weather or not she ATTACKED alone. The fact that he's already in your hand doest negate his participation in the challenge.

@TheNorthRemembers Yep, its a very nice combo.. you could also do the same thing with Jorah if you are placing the third betrayal token on him.. he would be sacrificed before claim is applied.

@riffrichards I'm sorry but that's not the way it works.. it only checks to see if she is attacking alone at the time of her interrupt regardless of how many characters were previously declared.

@riffrichardsit would work as you described if she said "Attacked alone", or something like that - because then it would be making sure she always was. The interrupt is blind to any game state beforehand, with how the card currently interacts with the game

@dibat "attackING" vs "attackED", now this makes more sense to me. Meaning the attack is technically still happening when the check is applied, and the hound has left play. Thanks for the clarification. Sometime the wording of these cards can be tricky.

Mirri Maz Duur works with Ser Jorah Mormont too if he is going to take the 3rd betrayal tokens

Why don't you use Jousting Contest with Mirri? Why you get rid of Daenerys? What for dragons without Daenerys? Only for Dracarys?

@viagromI found that Jousting Contest wasn't necessary. It's not hard to win an intrigue challenge with Mirri by herself to start with and when you throw in stealth, Widows Wail and Dracarys it almost never fails if you play the turn correctly. Daenerys is just to expensive to run with all the other high cost characters in the deck.. and you'd have to start cutting other good cards to slot her in anyway. She's also unnecessary for this build. The dragons are not bad characters by themselves.. they set up for 2-3 cost and each are well rounded even without the ability for Daenerys. The ability to run Dracarys to take care of problem characters and push through challenges as well as threaten Dracarys every turn you have a dragon out is also a big psychological advantage even if you don't have a dracarys in hand.

I've only been playing this game specifically a short time, but I really do feel Widow's Wail is one of the best cards in the game and one of the best reasons to run banner of Lion

@potatoechip99 What do you think about this deck: thronesdb.com

oh,sorry, link: thronesdb.com

@viagrom It looks like a lot of fun with Intrigue challenges and Mirri.. That being said I'd like to see a couple of things If I was building the deck.. first would be a 2 claim plot to really capitalize on either switching an intrigue challenge over to military claim with Trial by Combat and/or emptying their hand that turn with double intrigue challenge. You might also want to consider heads on spikes so that if they use a summons or get their hand down to just a card or two it will potentially take away a key character they were going to play. Other than that I'd consider slotting in tears for extra character control since you don't get dracarys like in the Targ/Lanni version. The rest of the choices seem good. I would be tempted to run burned men for the first snow turn. Let me know how it works out after you have the chance to get some games in!

@potatoechip99Thank you!!! You're gr8. I"ll try. Could you tell me which plot can be replaced? I like a lot of cards and coins, so noble,calling,pentoshi and coppers,cache. So some 2-claim plot instead of Calm over Westeros?

Personally I'd probably trade out cache, but if you can't part with it then Calm is probably fine so long as your not running into heavy agro decks too often. I like Long Winter as a very solid 2-claim plot.

@potatoechip99 The deck in my opinion is very strong,but against milk of the poppy is another deck:Khal Drogo and Mirri milked are useless,so i would play confiscation instead one of the plots,Viserys can remove only one milk,but there are decks that play 3 milks,so....Another consideration:i would play Ser Gregor,just to use PTTS in an easier way.For the rest the deck is a bomb (my consideration about the milk is due to the fact that friends of mine use it and i found difficulties even if i play confiscation with Viserys)

@Malvine In a heavy milk meta I can see swapping out Calm for Confiscation.. at least that's the plot I would chose, so I can agree there.. I honestly haven't had any trouble getting my PTTS to trigger. Usually I can either pump with Widows wail or give stealth to a military character or use Dracarys to make sure to push through the military challenge if needed.. I think it would be hard for me to slot in another 7 cost character such as Gregor. Thank you for the suggestions though.. I think Confiscation may be good to keep Mirri and/or Khal activated.

Yeah, Milk is a real concern, even the second place deck at this event was running it. If Mirri continues to take off and Drogo+Jaime combo put this and other decks over the top i wouldnt be surprised to see alot of Milk re-entering the field. Confiscation my be a plot to seriously consider.

I can see running Confiscation helps get rid of milk and is good for getting rid of those seals of the hand.

There are also those Martell equipments that can create problems

Great job on this deck and the tournament! I'm happy to see you can win even without me giving you the autowin in the finals!

I played this 3x today on OCTGN and it really sings, doesn't it? Mirri removes the problem with a lot of Targ decks which is controlling high STR opponent characters....she's fantastic.

@OKTarg Really glad you approve Buz!! Lol I hope you destroyed in all those OCTGN games! After reading the discussion and playing the deck would you make any changes? Confiscation maybe?

@OKTarg And yes, she really helps Targ take out the high str problem characters that gave the old Dany build trouble! I felt bad for my opponents a time or two! Lol

I can see potential for a kraken banner. 3x Fishing Net, Theon Greyjoy, Asha Greyjoy and Maester Wendamyr really help triggering Plaza of Punishment. or the reverse and banner the dragon for The Seastone Chair and Mirri Maz Duur

@potatoechip99 What about putting 2x for each dragon and running 2x Rattleshirt?Thanks to Syrio and Wildling scout you are able to win military battles and to remove equipments,maybe they are too much expensive i know but they help you in some situations.I believe milk of the poppy will be used for loooong time,it's the death of this deck because you focus on two combos (Khal + Jaime and Mirri).Just think about NW equipments (harder to use Dracarys!),or if a Martell,thanks to the equipment,removes power to Mirri you have to win intrigue against Martells themselves (crazy thing) so in my opinion Rattleshirt are top for this deck.I told you about Confiscation,you already have Viserys but control decks can stop this one in an easy way,so an aggro attack against equipments can help you.Tell me your opinion about that (tomorrow i will test your deck,great list!)

@MalvineI personally don't think Rattleshirt is worth the tradeoff and Confiscation with 2 Viserys should be enough. I would run 3 viserys before I started slotting in the Raiders.

Very interesting deck! Played with it on octgn. How do you affair with Vengeance for Elia with the double military challenges?

Was there any consideration for Tower Of the Hand? I believe it would pair well with Mirri (same as the hound).

@cart3rWIth 39 characters and hands judgement this hasn't been a problem.

@AcePrositterI don't like how much money you have to invest in playing the location and a character to maybe temporarily remove a character from the table for a turn and one that is lower printed cost. I prefer hard control with this deck and don't think a less effective and less efficient soft control card is worth slotting myself.

@potatoechip99Do you see a place (or need) for Funeral Pyre in this deck?

@Crabshack101 Yes I do! I'd run 1-2 copies, I think 3 is too many for the requirements. I recently swapped out 3 hands judgement and 1 widows wail for 3 Nightmares and 1 Funeral Pyre and I'm testing to see how well that works out. I can also see a case for some combination of Nightmares, Hand's Judgment and Funeral Pyre.

@potatoechip99, any update to your deck after the new expansions? I run a similar deck and love to see your input. Especially with Nightmares to counter all those locations or warships from Greyjoy.

@ironlix In the last couple weeks I've seen a heavy rise in play from the Stark/Winterfell deck and It is a problem for this deck to overcome for sure.. there are a couple Martel builds with Ghaston that give it trouble also.. so yes I think slotting in 2-3 nightmares is the right call currently.. I'm also considering switching out PTTS for Tears. Recently I've found PTTS has been getting harder to trigger against skilled players.

@potatoechip99, same here! And I did take out the Put to the Sword for the Tears of Lys.

For the plots, i am considering putting in Political Disaster to counter the current meta.